Are Auto Clickers Macros? - Guild Wars Forums

greenreaper3 · Jun 03, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

i'm sorry if in the wrong area, but didnt see anything about rules...

O.K. My friend and i are both going for LDoA. As some of you may know, this requires countless hours of afk-ness. I usually come back every 8 hours or so, and move a but so i dont get booted every 10 hours. My friend uses an auto clicker, and says that it is NOT a macro, or illegal in anyway. I have thought about using one, but im not sure if they are macros. If anyone knows for sure, please post a response.

TYVM!

*EDIT*

please state
LEGAL

or

NOT LEGAL/ILLGAL at the beginning of your message.

Harvester of Sorrows · Jun 03, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I'm not sure if it would be considered a macro by definition, but it's totally illegal. Your going to have to do all that LDoA stuff without it.

MercenaryKnight · Jun 03, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

I guess that would be the gamble you'd have to take. Some people use macro's to afk their drunkard titles. Most likely could be called cheating, but if all it were to do was click on the ground every once an hour or something most likely wouldn't really be detected.

However, if it was something like a bot that would continuously farm or do something else then that would be a lot more likely to be caught.

malko050987 · Jun 03, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

I'm not sure of the tech definition, but I think it is one, or at least close enough.

Did some poking around, and here's what I got:

Quote:

You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

I think an auto-clicker would qualify as "Interacting," so I suggest not using it.

Edit: Source: http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti...es_of_conduct/ (point 22)

Luminarus · Jun 03, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

A safe way to think about it is this,

If it is a third party program that effects you're account then its illegal.

If it has no impact on you're account, or anybody else thats fine. (EG Texmod)

Kyomi Tachibana · Jun 03, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Iirc, I read a quote from Gaile saying that the program that made you able to afk your Drunkard title was okay, so I don't see how this would be much different. I'll go see if I can find it.

malko050987 · Jun 03, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Iirc, I read a quote from Gaile saying that the program that made you able to afk your Drunkard title was okay, so I don't see how this would be much different. I'll go see if I can find it.

Well, according to the Rules of Conduct that I linked in my post, it's against the EULA and not legal. They probably won't do anything to you (it's doubtful they can even detect something like an auto-clicker, since it's such a small activity), but it's still not legal.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jun 03, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Well.... If you're so worried go contact someone who can answer officially. E-mails to official employees are good. Or you can get one of those bird things that bob up and down and have it tap your W key or something.

Edit: >_>; Ignore the pre-edit post, I was being slow.

The Meth · Jun 03, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Its not illegal, but it is against the EULA. However, that in and of itself doesn't mean much, because if Anet enforced the EULA strictly 95% of players would have been banned by now. Anet won't go out of its way to ban you as long as you aren't either A. Using the macro in a way that negatively affects other players (ie farming) or B. Advertising to Anet/Players that you are using a macro.

If you are just using a macro to move every once in a while to avoid getting kicked, Anet isn't going to care. Whether they would even think you are using a macro is questionable, unless you have the macro to activate at the exact same intervals and they tracked individual keypress times and compared them.

Also, remember that the EULA is NOT a law, it is a contract. Therefore just doing something against the EULA is NOT illegal, it is at worst a breach of contract. Whether EULA's are even an enforceable contract is debatable for a number of reasons, though they have little to no impact on this situation.

Kattar · Jun 03, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Technically, it's ILLEGAL. As far as the EULA is concerned.

Some people will tell you that it's ok, you're not going to get caught. But always remember, ANet can do anything they want to their account (yes, it's their account, not your's) for any reason. And if you give them any sort of reason to be suspicious of your account, like ANY sort of botting activity, be prepared to suffer the consequences.

It may not get you banned, but you have no way of knowing. If you want to be on the safe side (although it's not as safe as it used to be), don't do it.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jun 03, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Wait... does the game kick you out after 10 hours only if you're in an explorable?

I've gone afk from shopping-> overnight but haven't been kicked, during a mission. (<3 H/H)

Longest I've been afk in an outpost was 12 hours 36 minutes in my GH.

I've heard of it but never been autokicked.

The Meth · Jun 03, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Error 059

If an account is online for 10 hours without any activity, it is disconnected.
Essentially, the OP (I mean, the OP's friend, of course

) is just using a macro to stop from getting disconnected. The Macro would just make a random movement or click every once in a while to stop this.

FeroxC · Jun 03, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Remember that episode of Simpsons when homer sets up the nodding bird to keep hitting the 'y' key on the nuclear power plant computer.

Nuclear meltdown same thing happens to your gw account :P

The Meth · Jun 03, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Remember that episode of Simpsons when homer sets up the nodding bird to keep hitting the 'y' key on the nuclear power plant computer.

Nuclear meltdown same thing happens to your gw account :P

Homer sure is a genius. Nothing in the EULA prevents nodding birds though.

Also, Anet approved the programmable keyboards which are the same thing as macros, so if you are paranoid about Anet coming after you just get one of those keyboards.

Snograt · Jun 03, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Macros are ok if you're actually there pushing the buttons. ANet are particularly trying to stop the use of macros and bots that enable your PC to automatically control your char when you're not there, i.e. full automation.

With regards to the drunkard bot, Gaile never said it was ok; she said it was against the EULA but was a minor transgression that wouldn't be looked on as harshly as full-on botting. You're still risking an account block.

IrishCB · Jun 03, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Also, remember that the EULA is NOT a law, it is a contract. Therefore just doing something against the EULA is NOT illegal, it is at worst a breach of contract. Whether EULA's are even an enforceable contract is debatable for a number of reasons, though they have little to no impact on this situation.

"A contract is a legally binding exchange of promises or agreement between parties that the law will enforce." -My Lawyer

Not saying A-Net will track you down and sue you for a 3rd Party Program; I just don't want you thinking a contract is not a legal script.

The Meth · Jun 03, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCB

"A contract is a legally binding exchange of promises or agreement between parties that the law will enforce." -My Lawyer

Not saying A-Net will track you down and sue you for a 3rd Party Program; I just don't want you thinking a contract is not a legal script.

Didn't mean to imply that a contract is not enforced by law, if thats what you were reading, but a contract is not a law in and of itself. The difference is where violating a law has specified penalties regardless of the situation that will be enforced by the government, violating a contract just means it will A. release Anet from their part of the contract (which would be providing access to the account) and B. Allow Anet to sue you for damages if your breach of contract somehow damaged them (like if you were stealing peoples accounts or something big like that), also including such things as punitive damages. Of course the law allows people to enforce contracts, otherwise contracts would be useless.

To give an example, if you are pulled over for a speeding ticket the defense 'there was noone else on the roads and my speeding wasn't hurting anyone' is a useless defense. On the other hand, if you are contracted to build a house and finish two days late, the defense 'they weren't planning to move in to the house until the next week and my delay hasn't caused them any harm at all' is a perfectly valid defense, and the only damages that would have to be paid are those that the two day delay has actually caused.

Glib · Jun 03, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Pardon the slightly off topic, but why would you need an auto-clicker? Just sent up your death-leveling before bed, click when you wake up...go to work/school, then click when you get home...If you are gone from home more than 10 hours or plan on being gone, don't set it up.

Seems a simple solution to me, rather than going through the trouble of finding a macro that will click for you, installing it, hoping it doesn't bugger up your machine or get your account stolen/banned, followed by the QQ omg haxors!! thread sure to follow.

Kapral · Jun 03, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCB

"A contract is a legally binding exchange of promises or agreement between parties that the law will enforce." -My Lawyer

Not saying A-Net will track you down and sue you for a 3rd Party Program; I just don't want you thinking a contract is not a legal script.

The EULA is not a contract though since, it's an agreement. You can cheat and bot all you want and it is not against any law. You can not get fined or arrested or anything. Editing GW (private servers, hacking servers, ect) is a different story though.

So, not illegal, but you could get banned from Guild Wars.

StormDragonZ · Jun 03, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

In one way, think:

If you think it is a bad thing, don't do it. Last thing we need is more peer pressure in gaming...

Nonetheless, if you're not going to put in the effort to do something, then don't bother.

To answer the OP, I'll use the word ILLEGAL.

Jun 03, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36	#1
greenreaper3 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ign: Cytherea of Athens Guild: We Made Mallyx Tap [Out] Profession: R/	Are Auto Clickers Macros? i'm sorry if in the wrong area, but didnt see anything about rules... O.K. My friend and i are both going for LDoA. As some of you may know, this requires countless hours of afk-ness. I usually come back every 8 hours or so, and move a but so i dont get booted every 10 hours. My friend uses an auto clicker, and says that it is NOT a macro, or illegal in anyway. I have thought about using one, but im not sure if they are macros. If anyone knows for sure, please post a response. TYVM! EDIT please state LEGAL or NOT LEGAL/ILLGAL at the beginning of your message. Last edited by greenreaper3; Jun 03, 2008 at 06:58 AM // 06:58..

Jun 03, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11	#8
Kyomi Tachibana Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Guild: Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB] Profession: P/W	Well.... If you're so worried go contact someone who can answer officially. E-mails to official employees are good. Or you can get one of those bird things that bob up and down and have it tap your W key or something. Edit: >_>; Ignore the pre-edit post, I was being slow. Last edited by Kyomi Tachibana; Jun 03, 2008 at 11:16 AM // 11:16..

Jun 03, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25	#9
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Its not illegal, but it is against the EULA. However, that in and of itself doesn't mean much, because if Anet enforced the EULA strictly 95% of players would have been banned by now. Anet won't go out of its way to ban you as long as you aren't either A. Using the macro in a way that negatively affects other players (ie farming) or B. Advertising to Anet/Players that you are using a macro. If you are just using a macro to move every once in a while to avoid getting kicked, Anet isn't going to care. Whether they would even think you are using a macro is questionable, unless you have the macro to activate at the exact same intervals and they tracked individual keypress times and compared them. Also, remember that the EULA is NOT a law, it is a contract. Therefore just doing something against the EULA is NOT illegal, it is at worst a breach of contract. Whether EULA's are even an enforceable contract is debatable for a number of reasons, though they have little to no impact on this situation. Last edited by The Meth; Jun 03, 2008 at 11:34 AM // 11:34..

Jun 03, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42	#10
Kattar EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: SMS (lolgw2placeholder) Profession: Me/	Technically, it's ILLEGAL. As far as the EULA is concerned. Some people will tell you that it's ok, you're not going to get caught. But always remember, ANet can do anything they want to their account (yes, it's their account, not your's) for any reason. And if you give them any sort of reason to be suspicious of your account, like ANY sort of botting activity, be prepared to suffer the consequences. It may not get you banned, but you have no way of knowing. If you want to be on the safe side (although it's not as safe as it used to be), don't do it. Last edited by Kattar; Jun 03, 2008 at 11:45 AM // 11:45..

Jun 03, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25	#15
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Macros are ok if you're actually there pushing the buttons. ANet are particularly trying to stop the use of macros and bots that enable your PC to automatically control your char when you're not there, i.e. full automation. With regards to the drunkard bot, Gaile never said it was ok; she said it was against the EULA but was a minor transgression that wouldn't be looked on as harshly as full-on botting. You're still risking an account block. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Jun 03, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#2
Harvester of Sorrows Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: The Fathers of Faith Profession: D/	I'm not sure if it would be considered a macro by definition, but it's totally illegal. Your going to have to do all that LDoA stuff without it.

Jun 03, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56	#3
MercenaryKnight Forge Runner Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Wolf of Shadows [WoS] Profession: P/	I guess that would be the gamble you'd have to take. Some people use macro's to afk their drunkard titles. Most likely could be called cheating, but if all it were to do was click on the ground every once an hour or something most likely wouldn't really be detected. However, if it was something like a bot that would continuously farm or do something else then that would be a lot more likely to be caught.

Jun 03, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09	#5
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	A safe way to think about it is this, If it is a third party program that effects you're account then its illegal. If it has no impact on you're account, or anybody else thats fine. (EG Texmod)

Jun 03, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37	#6
Kyomi Tachibana Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Guild: Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB] Profession: P/W	Iirc, I read a quote from Gaile saying that the program that made you able to afk your Drunkard title was okay, so I don't see how this would be much different. I'll go see if I can find it.

Jun 03, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55	#11
Kyomi Tachibana Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Guild: Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB] Profession: P/W	Wait... does the game kick you out after 10 hours only if you're in an explorable? I've gone afk from shopping-> overnight but haven't been kicked, during a mission. (<3 H/H) Longest I've been afk in an outpost was 12 hours 36 minutes in my GH. I've heard of it but never been autokicked.

Jun 03, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06	#12
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Error 059 If an account is online for 10 hours without any activity, it is disconnected. Essentially, the OP (I mean, the OP's friend, of course ) is just using a macro to stop from getting disconnected. The Macro would just make a random movement or click every once in a while to stop this.

Jun 03, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#13
FeroxC Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: EOA Profession: P/W	Remember that episode of Simpsons when homer sets up the nodding bird to keep hitting the 'y' key on the nuclear power plant computer. Nuclear meltdown same thing happens to your gw account :P

Jun 03, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39	#18
Glib Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2008	Pardon the slightly off topic, but why would you need an auto-clicker? Just sent up your death-leveling before bed, click when you wake up...go to work/school, then click when you get home...If you are gone from home more than 10 hours or plan on being gone, don't set it up. Seems a simple solution to me, rather than going through the trouble of finding a macro that will click for you, installing it, hoping it doesn't bugger up your machine or get your account stolen/banned, followed by the QQ omg haxors!! thread sure to follow.

Jun 03, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05	#20
StormDragonZ Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York Profession: W/R	In one way, think: If you think it is a bad thing, don't do it. Last thing we need is more peer pressure in gaming... Nonetheless, if you're not going to put in the effort to do something, then don't bother. To answer the OP, I'll use the word ILLEGAL.